Mr. BOND. I thank the Chair. Mr. President, as I said earlier
today, we are trying to move to Calendar No. 342, S. 942,
the small business regulatory reform bill. I understand, if
I ask unanimous consent to move to consideration of the bill
at this moment, there will be an objection; so I ask.
Mr. SIMON. Yes. Mr. President, in behalf of Senator Daschle,
for reasons he has outlined earlier, I will object.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Missouri.
Mr. BOND. Mr. President, I have heard some concern expressed
that this measure may become a broad measure and involve many
other items, such as controversial items that are included
in the major regulatory reform bill, S. 343, which I personally
hope is moving toward resolution.
There are a significant number of Members on both sides moving
forward on that, but in order to assure my colleagues that
we want to keep the focus on small business, we have a consent
decree which would, I think, narrow it.
I want to read this consent request carefully so that other
Members can listen to it, so they can think about it and see
whether this would be the format under which we could bring
the bill up.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that on Tuesday, March
12, at 11 a.m., the Senate proceed to the consideration of
Calendar No. 342, S. 942, the small business regulatory reform
bill, and it be considered under the following limitation:
Ninety minutes of total debate, equally divided between the
two managers; that the only amendments in order to the bill
be the following:
A managers' amendment to be offered by Senators Bond and
Bumpers; an amendment to be offered by Senator Nickles regarding
congressional review; and one additional amendment, if agreed
to by both leaders, after consultation with the two managers.
Further, that following the expiration or yielding back of
all time, any pending amendments and the bill be temporarily
set aside; further, that immediately following any ordered
cloture votes on Tuesday, March 12, the Senate resume consideration
of the bill, the Senate immediately vote on any pending amendments
to the bill; and, further, following disposition of all pending
amendments, the bill be read a third time, the Senate proceed
to a vote on final passage, all without any intervening debate
or action.
Mr. SIMON. Mr. President, as the Senator from Missouri knows,
I happen to be on the floor. I do not know the details of
all this. I object on behalf of Senator Daschle to what appears
to be a reasonable request. I think he should take it up with
Senator Daschle.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is heard.
Mr. BOND. Mr. President, I thank the Chair, and I appreciate
the position of my colleague and neighbor from Illinois. I
realize there is objection on the other side.
Let me suggest what the framework of the debate itself is.
We will continue to discuss additional items to be brought
up. I discussed with my ranking member, Senator Bumpers, the
objectives of keeping this bill narrow. I believe we are in
agreement. Whenever we can get the agreement of the minority
to proceed, I will propose that we enter into an agreement
on this basis so that we keep the amendments limited, and
so that we can come to closure on this very important matter.
Mr. President, since my good friend and neighbor from Arkansas
is here, let us lay out some of the reasons that this bill
is important. I have talked briefly about it before.
Last June, almost 2,000 delegates to the White House
Conference on Small Business came to Washington to give their
best advice and counsel to the President and Congress. They
voted on an agenda of the top concerns of small business.
The Washington conference came after a year-long grassroots
effort, where over 20,000 small business people sifted through
more than 3,000 policy recommendations, some 59 conferences
at the State level, and six regional hearings.
Over 400 of the most important policy recommendations were
voted on by delegates to the White House conference. The top
60 recommendations were published by the conference last September
as a report to the President and Congress, entitled `Foundation
for a New Century.' Not surprising, this gathering echoed
the findings that we in the Small Business Committee have
heard as we have held hearings in Washington and around the
country. Three of the top findings of the White House Small
Business Conference were calling for reforms in the way that
Government regulations are developed, the way they are enforced,
and reforming Government paperwork requirements.
The common theme of all three recommendations is the need
to change the culture of Government agencies, the need to
provide an ear--a responsive ear--and a responsive attitude
toward the small business and small entities that are the
backbone of this country, the dynamic engine driving the growth
of this economy.
The Vice President said to the conference delegates last
year, `Government regulators need to stop treating small business
as potential suspects and start treating small business like
a partner sharing in a common goal.' The Vice President also
noted that this change in the culture of Government may take
years of effort to accomplish. Mr. President, I would say,
parenthetically, that if we cannot even bring the bill up,
it is going to take more than years.
I am extremely disappointed that we cannot even get an agreement
to bring the bill up next week. We have here before us a measure
that is designed to deal with one particular area of great
importance to small businesses all across the country.
One of the measures included in this bill is the Small Business
Advocacy Act, recommended by Senator Domenici, filed in the
form of S. 917, which focused on the early involvement by
small business in the development of new regulations. The
bill was referred to the Small Business Committee, as was
S. 942, the Small Business Regulatory Fairness Act, which
I introduced. We have been working to combine elements of
both bills in legislation that already had been considered
on the Senate floor, which was the measure to provide judicial
review and
enforcement of the Regulatory Flexibility Act, which says,
quite simply, that Federal agencies have to take into consideration
the impact on small business of the regulations they issue.
We had hearings before the Small Business Committee which
confirm the importance of having this kind of reform. The
SBA chief counsel for advocacy released a report that said
that small businesses bear a disproportionate share of the
regulatory burden. When you take a look at regulations as
they affect large businesses and as they affect the smaller
businesses with up to 50 employees, the cost for a small business
is some 50 to 80 percent more per employee. Small business
is put at a disadvantage not only in making a profit, but
in competing with a larger business.
Throughout our efforts in the Small Business Committee, I
am proud to say that we have worked very closely and had the
greatest cooperation from my ranking member, Senator Bumpers
of Arkansas, and his staff. We have had great input from members
of the committee, who have taken a very active role in holding
hearings in their States and coming back with recommendations
to give to us on how we can flesh out this bill and make it
work better for small businesses in our States and across
the country.
This bill, S. 942, came out of the committee without any
opposition, and the more people have talked about it, the
more offers we have had to cosponsor it. I think the bill
delivers on the legitimate regulatory concerns of small business,
as well as the major recommendations of the White House Conference
on Small Business, and it really does do something to address
the disproportionately heavy impact that these regulations
have on small business and on the paperwork burdens of small
business.
This legislation is narrowly focused on small business. It
does not go into the big debates over more expansive and,
I think, needed broader regulatory reform. These efforts need
to go forward, but I think we have something we can deliver
here now, today, and, if not today, for Heaven's sake, let
us deliver it next week so small business in America can begin
to see that somebody is listening.
If there is one plaintive comment I have heard, both in my
State of Missouri, at other hearings, and at the hearings
up here, it is small business asking: `Is anybody listening?
Does anybody really care what the burdens the Federal Government
places on small business are doing to the small businesses?'
I think it is time we answered the question, and I think it
is time we answered, `Yes, we are willing to listen and do
something about it.' I do not think that we can abandon these
efforts.
We need to move forward with regulatory relief this year.
I think, as I said in my remarks earlier today, judicial review
of reg flex, the 1980 provision that said regulatory agencies
are supposed to consider small business, that has to be implemented,
and there has to be teeth put in it. They have not done so.
Regulatory agencies have routinely ignored the impact on small
business.
We need to give them some enforcement powers so that they
will be heard.
Equally important, we need to give enforcement reform some
outlet to change the culture of regulators when they deal
with small business so that somebody who has examples of regulators
that have been overreaching can get a fair hearing and a fair
shake from the regulators. These measures would level the
playing field and bring some accountability into small business.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in
the Record a letter from the National Federation of Independent
Business from the Vice President of Federal Government Relations.
There being no objection, the material was ordered to be
printed in the Record, as follows:
NATIONAL FEDERATION
of Independent Business,
Washington, DC, March 7, 1996.
Hon. Christopher Bond,
Chairman, U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
[Page: S1637]Dear Mr. Chairman: On behalf of the more than
600,000 small business owners of the National Federation of
Independent Business (NFIB), I urge all your colleagues to
support S. 942, the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement
Fairness Act of 1996. The Bond-Bumpers legislation includes
important provisions that have been top priorities for NFIB
members for many years. It also includes provisions that were
recommended by small business owners at the 1995 White House
Conference on Small Business. The bill has these important
elements:
Strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act.
Provisions that would encourage a more cooperative regulatory
enforcement environment regulation.
Updating the Equal Access to Justice Act.
Providing for the judicial review of the Regulatory Flexibility
Act of 1980 is of particular concern to the small business
community because it has the potential to fulfill the promise
of that 16 year old law. the purpose of `reg.flex.' was to
fit regulations to the scale and resources of the regulated
entity. A strong `reg.flex.' process will provide a substantial
measure of the regulatory reform that small business owners
have wanted for years.
The vote on S. 942 will be a `Key Small Business Vote' of
the 104th Congress.
Sincerely,
DONALD A. DANNER,
Vice President,
Federal Government Relations.
Mr. BOND. Mr. President, it says, in part:
On behalf of the more than 600,000 small business owners
of the National Federation of Independent Business, I urge
all your colleagues to support S. 942, the Small Business
Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act of 1996. The Bond-Bumpers
legislation includes important provisions that have been top
priorities for NFIB members for many years. It also includes
provisions that were recommended by small business owners
at the 1995 White House conference on small business.
It then goes on to describe it. It says, in closing, `The
vote on S. 942 will be a key small business vote of the 104th
Congress.'
I see my colleague from Arkansas is on the floor so I yield
the floor.
Mr. BUMPERS. Mr. President, first, I want to express my sincere
appreciation to the chairman of the Small Business Committee,
my distinguished colleague, Senator Bond, who has spoken very
eloquently about this whole issue.
Second, I want to say that all the concerns I had about this
bill--and we had some--he has very graciously accommodated.
I think the bill is to the point now that if it were permitted
to be brought up it would sail through this Chamber by a vote
of 100-zip.
In 1980, Congress passed what we know as the Regulatory Flexibility
Act. It was designed to lighten the regulatory burden on small
businesses. What is wrong? It has not worked. The small business
community feels that they have been taken because the bill
simply did not provide the relief that was represented to
them. Every White House conference for small business that
has been held has put regulatory flexibility as one of the
very top issues that concern them. In 1992 it was one of their
top issues.
Now here is an opportunity for Congress, for the first time,
to keep faith with the small business community on something
they say is just about the highest item on the agenda. There
is absolutely no sense in anybody delaying the taking up or
the passing of this bill.
To those who are working on a much broader regulatory reform
bill, I say, `amen.' You have my blessing. Stay with it. I
hope some regulatory reform bill on a comprehensive basis
is offered that I can support. Until that happy day, this
bill ought to pass now. It is not related to the broader regulatory
reform bill. This bill says very simple things, but they are
dramatic and they are helpful.
First, the Small Business Administration will have a small
business ombudsman. Some guy comes into your office and says,
`Your fire extinguisher is 56 inches off the floor and it
ought to only be 54 inches off the floor, therefore I am fining
you $100,' they can write a letter or call the ombudsman and
say, `This is ridiculous. Not only is he trying to fine me
$100, he is arrogant. He is abusive.' We are trying to comply
with the law out here and make a living and the ombudsman
can record it, sort of keep a report card on some of these
people who come in with an abusive attitude. What is wrong
with that?
Second, we say and this is the most important part of the
bill, henceforth and forevermore when you draft a regulation
you will have to accompany it with an explanation in the mother
tongue--which is English--and say in clear, plain, written
English what this regulation does and what it takes to comply
with it. It would not be a bad idea to let the IRS in on that,
too. Why is the IRS perhaps the most detested of all Federal
agencies? Because everything they do is subject to 18 interpretations.
Third, there is a broader equal access to justice provision
in this bill which says small business is entitled to attorney
fees in certain instances where they are sued and have to
resist a regulation that is found to be outside the intent
of Congress. What is wrong with that?
We already have a rule that says a regulation that is found
to be arbitrary and capricious can be stricken; but we do
not have a bill that says if the courts find that OSHA or
EPA or anybody else who tries to impose a regulation on you
to be arbitrary and capricious, you win, but you lose because
you do not get your attorney fees. Under this bill in such
a case you would almost always get your attorney fees. That
is the way it ought to be.
Finally, we have a provision that is mildly controversial
called judicial review. That is, if you do not like a regulation
and you believe that it goes beyond the intent of Congress
and that Congress did not intend this nonsense to be imposed
on you, you challenge it. Haul them into court--why not? Congress
passes a one-sentence law and the regulators will draft 1,000
regulations to enforce it, and then say those regulations
are sacred even though the small business community had no
input. Congress goes home, beats itself on the chest, gives
itself the good government award and says, `Well, we passed
a law, we thought it would be OK.' But nobody rode herd on
the regulators.
So here there are 1,000 regulations out there and they are
saying, `We will impose these on you and you do not have the
right to appeal.'
That is downright un-American. I do not care what anybody
says.
I do not think I have ever voted to disallow judicial review.
So here is a chance to say to the small business community,
we have heard your complaints, we are doing everything we
can, not only to lighten the regulatory burden but make the
regulators pay if they unfairly and arbitrarily abuse you
with their regulations.
Let me just repeat one thing. It is a real tragedy. This
bill has nothing to do with this giant so-called Dole-Johnston
or Johnston-Dole regulatory reform bill. I will tell you something
else. I do not want it part of that bill. I do not want somebody
trying to attach this bill to that bill as an amendment. I
want to pass this bill and say to the small business community:
Here is something for you, whether this other mess ever passes
or not.
So, the minute the request of the distinguished Senator from
Missouri to bring that bill up under the terms he requested,
which are eminently reasonable--the minute that bill hits
this floor and we spend an hour and a half debating it, it
will be out of here 100-zip.
We cast 23 votes this year. Last year at this time we cast
over 90 votes. In short, we are not doing anything, and, in
addition to that, here we are with an opportunity to do something
that really amounts to something and we cannot get that done.
So the Senator from Missouri and I are going to persevere
with this. We are going to get this bill passed one way or
the other, because it makes too much sense not to.
I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Oregon.
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